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mortified’ about deployment
Relatives: Ft. Hood suspect upset over being harassed about being Muslim
WASHINGTON - Born and reared in Virginia, the son of immigrant parents from a small Palestinian town near Jerusalem, he joined the Army right out of high school, against his parents’ wishes. The Army, in turn, put him through college and then medical school, where he trained to be a psychiatrist.
But Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the 39-year-old man accused of Thursday’s mass shooting at Fort Hood, Tex., started having second thoughts about his military career a few years ago after other soldiers harassed him for being a Muslim, he told relatives in Virginia.
He had also more recently expressed deep concerns about being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan. Having counseled scores of returning soldiers with post-traumatic stress disorder, first at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington and more recently at Fort Hood, he knew all too well the terrifying realities of war, said a cousin, Nader Hasan.
“He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy,” Mr. Hasan said. “He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there.”
Disturbing postings
The Federal Bureau of Investigation had earlier become aware of Internet postings by a man who called himself Nidal Hasan, a law enforcement official said. The postings discussed suicide bombing in a favorable light, but the investigators were not clear whether the writer was Major Hasan.
In one posting on the Web site Scribd, a man named Nidal Hasan compared the heroism of a soldier who throws himself on a grenade to protect fellow soldiers to suicide bombers who sacrifice themselves to protect Muslims.
“If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory,” the man wrote. It could not be confirmed, however, that the writer was Major Hasan.
Major Hasan was wounded and taken into custody by the Fort Hood police after the shooting spree, in which 12 people, many of them soldiers, were killed, and at least 31 others were wounded. The shootings occurred at a readiness center where soldiers are put through a series of medical, dental, legal and other paces in preparation for being deployed.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33704314/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/
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{ This is a very sad and troubling situation. I can't help thinking of the families of these soldiers already worried about their eminent departure to war zones where their lives will be in constant danger and then to find out they have been shot dead before they could even board the airplanes to Baghdad or Kabul.
I also can't help thinking that when we perpetrate violence abroad it inevitably come back to our shores. Violence is a boomerang that always seems to return to those who cast it.
This was the act of a deranged single man but the reasons behind it are a reflection of our recent history as a people. It is a dark mirror that we look into.}
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On the contrary, i beleive that this was an act of an heroic man. One who put his religion ahead of more parochial concerns. He prevented even more mercenaries from illegally invading other countries to continue the killing, maiming, raping and torturing of innocent victims. WHY are US soldiers even in Iraq?? They shouldn't have invaded that country in the first place, and they shouldn't still be there!!
Afghanistan is another Vietnam for the US.. unless Obama is brighter than i think. He has a chance to terminate that folly (just creating MORE anti-US sentiment, and 'terrorists' (in USian parlance), counter to the reasons being given for the US presence there. A clearly corrupt guv'mint there (but at least a pro- US guv'mint'). and then the US is going to bemoan the fact that the 'radical' Pakistani's (who will take over that country when push comes to shove) have one version of the Islamic bomb. Iran will soon have another version, regardless of the 'international' (pro- Israel) community's efforts. Again, 'why' should Israel be allowed to have nuclear weapons, and not the Arabs/Muslims/Persians??? It just doesn't make sense! (well, of course, the reason it that the Israeli's are the US's own Terrorists..)
cheers, berto
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Oh, by the way: What was up with that declaring the shooter to be among the dead? And i thought that i heard an army spokesperson mention that AFTER the 'lone' gunman was wounded/captured/killed, there was a burst of gunfire ina theatre nearby???
(Now, if the US wanted to fan the flames of anti-muslim sentiment, what better way than to put this little 'thing' together??)
and 'by definition', aren't all psychs a bit 'off'?? (i was a bit embarrassed to learn that he had trained as a biochemist, before he went into medicine proper..:$ )
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He should never have joined the army if he never wanted to be deployed, esp. to a country with his same religion.
What he did is wrong, for he knowing killed people he 'was' a part of.
Instead he should have expressed his feelings about going to a country where he would have to harm people of his religion.
Geesh the terrible things man does in the name of religion. Peace will never be achieved as long as mankind follows religion, which he/she thinks others must follow also, even if that means killing those who don't believe as they do.
Hero, no! Just another trapped by the fanatasim of religion.
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Well, it shouldn't be 'missed' that Ft. Hood isn't all that far from Waco, where the armed might of the US guv'mint was used to incinerate a hundred or so innocent children because the of 'religion'..then the guv folks lie about it!!
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That fire was started by the Wackos at Waco. David Koresh was an armed rapist!Well, it shouldn't be 'missed' that Ft. Hood isn't all that far from Waco, where the armed might of the US guv'mint was used to incinerate a hundred or so innocent children because the of 'religion'..then the guv folks lie about it!!
-sisyphus
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Islam threw the shooter under the bus. So should we.
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First of all .... why deploy a psychiatrist, yes you are trained to be a infantryman first, but his job skill set would be of no use in a combat zone, no sense in treating a mental issue only to throw them back out into the very thing that caused it. Secondly he should have been able with his rank to voice his concern in combination with his religion might have raised some attention to his condition, further his involvement with men suffering from shell shock would have been another. To me it sounds like typical military, suck it up and go or we'll ......type attitude. This reeks of something subversive to me.
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Well, contrary to skafloki's(B) assertions: That fire was started by the Wackos at Waco. David Koresh was an armed rapist!
berto points out that the evidence suggests that the fire (in the bunker) was started by an incendiary round fired by the ATF, and later lied about, and atempted to cover up. Koresh and colleagues were within their rights to attempt to repel the attack on their residence by over-zealous rogue(?) elements of the US guv'mint..as the films show clearly armed men attempting to breach their 'home' through a window (via a roof).. near simultaneously with any possible 'notification' that these were 'federal agents' pressing a warrant. It is also clear that if the feds wished to arrest Mr. Koresh for firearms violations, as was alledged, they could have easily done so, without incident, on any one of Mr. Koresh's many jaunts into town..
It should be noted that this occurred not much after the Feds (FBI - fed. bur. of Incompetents) made their illegal murderous assualt on the home of Mr. Weaver at 'Ruby Ridge'. It is true that some do not mind this over-reaching of 'power' by agents of the US guv'mint.
These are probably the same individuals who supported the illegal, murderous attack upon the innocent Iraqi's, due to the criminal behaviour of Baby Bush and his henchboys. The same group that used torture on innocents in contravenion of the Geneva accords (and US law), and HEFA munitons against women and children, killing them by suffocation, again in contravention of the Geneva accords. Justice will only be served when they are brought before an International Tribunal for war crimes. It would be 'fitting' justice, if they were subject to the 'same' enhanced inTerrorgation techniques that they employed against others.. Hey, it's not 'torture'..
cheers, berto
PS yeah, Janet Reno did a great job 'protecting' those children from what was found to be an incorrect 'charge' of 'child abuse' - the 'reason' she gave for precipitously attacking them!!
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Oh, by the way: What was up with that declaring the shooter to be among the dead? And i thought that i heard an army spokesperson mention that AFTER the 'lone' gunman was wounded/captured/killed, there was a burst of gunfire ina theatre nearby???
(Now, if the US wanted to fan the flames of anti-muslim sentiment, what better way than to put this little 'thing' together??)
and 'by definition', aren't all psychs a bit 'off'?? (i was a bit embarrassed to learn that he had trained as a biochemist, before he went into medicine proper..:$ )
-sisyphus
*groan* Not another conspiracy theory, please.
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Berto you think and reason outside of the box that the media "guvmint" as you put it, want you to, and I like that. It is far to easy for others to write you off as "yet another conspiracy theorist" but those others are not evidencing their case for us all to peruse.
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Maybe, because there is not case to "peruse".Berto you think and reason outside of the box that the media "guvmint" as you put it, want you to, and I like that. It is far to easy for others to write you off as "yet another conspiracy theorist" but those others are not evidencing their case for us all to peruse.
-solaris
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Maybe, everytime a muslim decides to shoot up a bunch of unarmed people, in this coutry, we should have a week to shoot any muslims, without being arrested. Might make muslims have a second, (or first), thought.
Hey Berto, are you a muslim?
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Asalamo aleikom, skafloki(B)
Maybe every time the US murders innocents, their family should get to 'visit' another '11 Sept.' on the US?
cheers, berto ('it always depends upon whose ox is getting gored')
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Yes. Solaris(B)(F) - many 'believe' what the media want them to believe. I'd bet more than half of the people (well, maybe i should 'qualify' that with 'US citizens) in the US still beleive that Saddam Huesein and Iraq were principals in the events of 11 Sept. (and you and i already 'know' the 'quality' of the 'snipe-ers' 
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cheers, berto
PS as General Dwight D. Eisenhower said: "Every gun that is made, every warship that is launched, every rocket fired signifies. in the final sense. a theft from those who hunger and are not fed. those who are cold and are not clothed."
Hmm, what country has the most weapons, and isn't shy about using them??
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Hmm, what country has the most weapons, and isn't shy about using them??
Hmm, I don't know. Is it Venezuela?
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Asalamo aleikom, skafloki(B)
Hassan i saba, Berto!
Hassan i saba, Berto!
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Fee amen Allah!! ( i do hope that they do ballistics on all of the recovered bullets - upwards of 60, at my 'first' count... (and they are just the ones that hit heir targets)
asalamo aliekom, berto
